Point Farming in GvG (2025)

I'm not sure if I want to make an idea about this, but just wondering about the current opinions about point farming from GvG. What if I created an idea that the amount of points you get per battle is proportional to the amount of goods you spent on a siege. Something along the lines of cost of siege / 100 = multiplier to your score in tournaments/rankings, so if you have no sectors, your score would be 1/20 of what it is now, and a guild with 23 sectors will get around 10x the battle points per siege?

The main problem is that I doubt this could be applied retroactively, but I'm still a bit interested in how this would play out.

Posted the below in another thread but better placed here.........

The new menace now that silly points have gone from GBs are the solo players who just attack everyday in GvG raking up millions of points for very low seige costs, this will replace the GB shambles before long.

The top players in each server will be the ones who are lone players or from guilds not interested in GvG just picking off easy 0% defence sectors, this happens everyday on East Nagach. With one player in particular raking in silly points for very little effort (put him in my hood please INNO!).

INNO must react now before this gets out of hand, in my opinion the only way to stop this is to bring back losing troops that are used for the seige army and increase the initial seige costs so its costs more to take the 1st sector and then the 2nd sector and so on can use the current goods cost system. I would recommend the first sector seige cost to be at least 50 of each good dropping to 10 of each good for the 2nd onwards.......

This will soon be the biggest issue INNO has to deal with if it does not act NOW....................

EJBirch

simply go demo in the current era your guild is in and plenty of fights can be had and you can usually block off the Pointless GvsG fight farmers all day long, works pretty good in A world get as many fights as i wish if i have time for it

I don't know why they took away the siege army actually costs you your own personal set of army they should at least bring that back pretty quick, then it will push some Fight farmers back to PvP where they would run into higher attack boost then on GvG map and lose even more troops

SFM-ByeOrDie said:

I'm not sure if I want to make an idea about this, but just wondering about the current opinions about point farming from GvG. What if I created an idea that the amount of points you get per battle is proportional to the amount of goods you spent on a siege. Something along the lines of cost of siege / 100 = multiplier to your score in tournaments/rankings, so if you have no sectors, your score would be 1/20 of what it is now, and a guild with 23 sectors will get around 10x the battle points per siege?

The main problem is that I doubt this could be applied retroactively, but I'm still a bit interested in how this would play out.

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So if you are defending against a siege you get 0 points because you aren't paying any goods?

Huscarl said:

So if you are defending against a siege you get 0 points because you aren't paying any goods?

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There are two options: No points as you said, or its proportional to the guild laying the siege gets (same, half, or double; don't know what it better ). The latter would promote smaller guilds attacking larger ones since if you catch their siege while their retaliating, you can get some major points.

Zero points for fighting against a siege army will be necessary, I'm afraid.
On many worlds, people sell sieges for FPs. So fake sieges, basically.
Large guilds with many sectors can't get their battle points, so some players pay someone to lay a siege on their sector, or an adjacent one.
They get 10 battles, and then the next one. I've seen some guys do 100 of these on a single day. Just for the ranking points.

If you increase siege cost for the first few sectors to a point that sector bashing becomes too expensive, you have to tackle this, or else this is how everybody will play. And the problem will not be solved.

EJ is right in regards to EN5 and some of the previous GB farmers now hitting LZ's for points only. The idea of increased goods costs could work but I would modify it slightly otherwise it would only suit the large guilds as they produce more. (Yes I know that players can join larger guilds but places like EN5 you are either seen as being either with Avengers or with HD etc so trying to be neutral and avoid the rubbish between the two warring factions is very hard to do, as I am finding out after leaving HD)

What I would suggest is to lay the siege with a cost of say 50 of each good but depending on the out come you get different outcomes.

For example:

If you delete the siege you lose all 50 and the next siege is say 60 of each.

If your siege is broken then the next siege on that sector ONLY could be the usual 5 (between calc's as you may want to try at a time you suspect the holding guild to be offline that would allow guild wanting to be on the map to place multiple sieges.)

If you take the sector you could be compensated the goods from the initial siege by unlocking 4 defence slots rather than the usual two as this would be your HQ location. Once a guild is on the map then it defaults to the usual system.

My 2p-worth:

(1) Need to factor (def+att) bonus into the equation. Someone taking an HQ with 75% bonus should get (100+75*2)% of the current points they receive. With PvP it can work the same. That way you can boost, but fighting against NPC will get you fewer points.

(2) Restriction on re-sieging a sector you just released. If you for example had to wait 6 hours before sieging a sector you've released, that will cut down boosting a lot.

(3) Alternatively, make boosting easy for everyone. Have something along the lines of recurrent continent map fights, where you pay goods to defeat 'default armies' again and again and again.

yes costal GvsG farming was prevelant before GB score mess and will get even worst if the supposed GvsG way of play does not change soon.

So when is news of after LVL 50 in GvsG going to come, its been months with no new rewards for the well organized adn efficient guilds that have reached that plateau

basically, there are two ways to stop points boosting

(i) is to make it harder, like I suggested in my post above

(ii) is to make holding sectors in GvG more attractive and fighting in it conventionally more appealing. Some ideas for that can be found here https://forum.en.forgeofempires.com/index.php?threads/cheating-guilds-bots.31354/page-2#post-190149 .

It's been going on almost since GvG started, it's just that with the old ranking system it wasn't visible in the rankings

you can boost in so many different ways that it's hard to see how they can all be stopped without introducing a lot of new rules.

(1) coastal boosting - you are off the map and you attack landing zones without taking them
(2) siege boosting - you are on the LZ or near it and your friends siege sectors for you to break sieges
(3) retake boosting - you have two sectors anywhere and you keep releasing and retaking one of them

all three of those are totally unlimited and at the same time very different to each other

(3) is the easiest to stop, as I've said above just say you cannot siege sectors you recently released for a certain amount of time. (2) and (1) you can in theory control by changing goods costs of sieges based on how many you've placed that day, but that will significantly alter the whole of GvG.

Medribradrion said:

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(1) coastal boosting - you are off the map and you attack landing zones without taking them
(2) siege boosting - you are on the LZ or near it and your friends siege sectors for you to break sieges
(3) retake boosting - you have two sectors anywhere and you keep releasing and retaking one of them

all three of those are totally unlimited and at the same time very different to each other

(3) is the easiest to stop, as I've said above just say you cannot siege sectors you recently released for a certain amount of time. (2) and (1) you can in theory control by changing goods costs of sieges based on how many you've placed that day, but that will significantly alter the whole of GvG.

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Re 1) put back the rule that you have to use your own troops to siege and that you do not get them back if you loose (win they go to 1st DA as now)

RE 2) no idea!

RE 3) Stopping a guild re-sieging their own sectors for a period of time will alter GvG far too much for the honest GvG fighting guilds, much much better is to only allow a guild to siege the same sector 3 times per GvG period.

And reduce points for fighting slightly so its not silly
I do like the idea of tying the points awarded to the defence bonus of the sector, discourges aimless sieging of NPC's and encourages actual GvG fighting.

HRC said:

Re 1) put back the rule that you have to use your own troops to siege and that you do not get them back if you loose (win they go to 1st DA as now).

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Isn't it that you never loose attacking army? Win or loose...